In composite we have north node in 12th. I cannot think, sleep since i met him. I know that there is a purpose regarding this relationship, but i cant find it Its time to clean up the karma between you, according to the position of the Nodes in the composite chart. This year in April we were introduced to each other by our mates. Unable to forget it? Oh the powers of the 12th house. Mars also squares Mercury, Venus, Pluto and Saturn. Sorry, aja, this is too much information to handle in this space. However, it's recommended to do an individual birthchart analysis before analyzing the Synastry to see the personal needs and potential for maintaining a healthy relationship. Having someone else's planets in these houses (especially the 5 th, 7 th, and 8 th houses), conjunct the Vertex or not, indicate a high level of compatibility and intimacy. After I read and then I re-read this was the conclusion that I am more confused than before but more peaceful and more tolerant with my fate. Women may stay because they think, how the heck am i going to find a man Im this connected to? If the fears arent dealt with (and the fears include loss of all kinds), it can get projected and the world itself can become the enemy. Obviously, I thought this man was my soulmate. So I had to find an answer without destroying so many other lives or breaking up relationships. The Sun in 11th house synastry overlay creates an atmosphere of friendship between you. What do you think? You are interested in psychology, religion, spirituality too. So sad! WhiteLotus. The synastry can show the true about our relationship, and the Davison also but less than synastry, but the Composite chart can show almost nothing. I have composite sun and moon in house 12 with my brother. yeah, i think we didnt invest much efforts in getting/staying togetherhowever, when I tried to pursue more, I felt as if I was more needy and I cared more about this relationship, as his respose to my efforts was quite blank and gruff. We met 3 months ago, and live 300 miles apart. The south node lies there on the natal composite. Thank You for Your answer and best regards from Hungary! Neptune, as the higher octave of Venus, is all about connections, and the 12th house allows us to dissolve the boundaries of ordinary life in order to reach out beyond our mundane reality. I know this man will be in my life as long as I can imagine. Two sides of the same coin. One thing is certain, and that is planets in the 12th house dont behave like any other. Lilith square . Will we stay together after we have learned our lesson together? we activate each others 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 6th, 10th and 11th houses also. The Pluto struggle with the ego and power will engage with the partners planetsin a positive way, the partner can become a guide. Learning to become unattached to outcome is a Neptunian theme in general. . Its the last chance to get it right, and there will be a struggle to use this planets positive expression easily. Together we share a Mars 12th. But exploring worlds during sex, soul bonding, feeling understood at a deep level, feeling at home in the spirit of the world, higher purpose together, channeling together, these are all things ive felt with my boyfriend and our 12th house energies. I had to spend years unlearning what love is to me and settle with how individuals differ in what we value in a relationship. But the problem with Neptune and XII house synastric connections, is that illusions seem to possess not your brain, but your flesh and soul. Also my moon is conjuct to his sun both ways. *Composite Chiron conjunct Moon in Taurus in 12th house. In Astrology, the planet Venus represents compassion, cooperation, beauty, and the Arts. My sympathies. . But from the first moment I felt and I know he did as well this very big attraction to him. Natal Birth Chart Meaning. Im also interested in anything about twin flame relationships. Oftentimes, once we surrender to the powers of the 12th house, our lives are transformed by meaning, because those unlikely connections have brought us a wisdom beyond our time together. Now we hate each other and nothing made sense. You can imagine the past 10 years have not been easy. Venus in 12th House Man. how this would manifest? The interesting thing is that we have a very unconventional relationship, mainly as friends and close allies in a spiritual cause (with the mission of saving the world, essentially), but with a new dimension of intense emotional and physical intimacy. The love you have for one another may be secret or private, and/or you are called upon to take a leap of faith in order to be with one another. The 12th house is the culmination of all that has come before itits our last chance, our last ride, and planets there can often go to extremes without knowing why (they can blame it on the limitless nature of Pisces, which respects no boundaries). Reply. Am i trapping my self? My life seems to cycle in and out of being able to bring that 12 house/Neptune energy into the everyday world. His Pluto on your Ascendant is an intense experience, but it sounds as though Neptune is the culprit as far as youre concerned. The twelfth house is associated with hidden emotions, and Lilith's influence adds an extra layer of complexity to this placement. It has been a very long journey! You cant really know how an aspect is going to manifest without looking at the whole chart, but it is true that conjunctions from the 12th house side are very complex. Astrology Symbols, Elements, Modalities, & House Types. You can use this to your . and he JUST asked me to lunch yesterday. You could unknowingly absorb all types of pain from the collective unconscious, making it difficult for you to be a member of the world. Then you have to put the natal charts around the composite, and there are a number of other techiques depending on what questions are asked: coalescent charts, draconic charts, etc. Since Lilith is being hidden in the 12th . 4 months passed since then. Hi Dawn. 1) Planetary house overlays (1, 5, 7, 8, 9 = most important) 2) Planetary aspects. . We both feel we have been together over many lifetimes. 13 . It confuses us, as is appropriate with a house that Neptune rules. I am surprised I did not find it and comment earlier, as I am still haunted by the same relationship 2 years after it ended. I like to think of Pluto more in terms of the battle between the ego and the soul. I was with him longer than Ive ever consecutively been with someone- 1 1/2 years. Those with this placement can benefit significantly from learning how to . Trust me when I say that I will happily take a man i am less connected to, to allow myself the support I need to thrive in this life. ? I retire in one year and will be living 20 miles from him. The composite AC is Scorpio Pluto in 12th (only planet) and Mars in 8th. Me and my sweet friend have Sun, Venus and Mercury in Cancer in the 12th, trine Neptune in Scorpio in the 5th, sextile Moon in Taurus in the 10th, but square Saturn in Virgo in the 3rd. For instance I have a Composite Taurus Sun at 1-2 degrees in the 12th Conjunct Taurus Eros (also in the 12th at 4 degrees), and the Taurus Asc at 5 degrees. I was heart broken all over again. So beautifully written Dawn. And would that mean -lets say- if this persons partners personal planets conjuncts to his north node would he lose the partner or would he lose god because he put that person (her planets) between himself and god! I might even say hes one of the closest people to me. Felt and feels karmic, but alas, it was definitely not meant to be.for now. let go or fight for it? Hello, Skye. They represent different aspects of a relationship. IP . Bonus points if the Sun and Moon are conjunct. This can happen in composites of unrequited love, where one person loves another who doesnt know he or she exists. There is still a sense that anything can happen though, very unpredictable energy. Astro-Seek.com Seek and meet people born on the same date as you . scares me a bit. That 12th house/Neptune influence is devasting if left unchecked. Subconciously I always looked at him for a few seconds like a magnet but did not put any thought to it. I apologize for the mistakes, Im French and sometimes it is difficult to express in English . I wouldnt say that one is more important than another. The synastry can show the true about our relationship, and the Davison also but less than synastry, but the Composite chart can show almost nothing. Instant connection, followed by a break up 5 days after, followed by getting back together 1 week later, on and off, on and off formally breaking up in 9 months, and yet professing how we never stopped loving each other two years after that (If you want to find someone else, if you want to marry someone else, I will not stop you, but know this. So much more needs to be considered. I am a pisces sun, mercury, mars. IP: Logged. (One expression does not contra-indicate the other.). Sun/Uranus conjunct in the 1st. but the rising is scorpio. I feel like I never want tk part from this man. Its a huge task, but often one the 12th house couple is uniquely suited for.]. I don know what to do. Composite Pluto in the 9th house: There is an added layer of complexity to their combined life philosophy. Composite The relationship is deep and beautiful and in periods hard for us to be with each other. In my experience, the Davison chart reveals more of the day to day reality, and the midpoint chart reveals the inner working dynamic. i give it much meaning because i really feel a psychic connection and a karmic fate, but again that could be just me since i have a heavy neptune but nothing in my natal 12th. Greetings. I havent spoken to him in a couple of years and my heart is still broken. Now I just have to sit and wait around where it is got to leave us! Just not what I wanted to hear. But I do have one question? My husband and I, have composite Saturn 27 Pluto 28 Libra in 12th, forming a T square to our Sun 26 Cancer and Venus 19/Mercury 23 Capricorn. Synastries (especially composite charts) are complicated and if confused (or you feel threatened) you should consult a professional. They rip the rug from under you every other day. Yes There is a higher purpose to these relationships. The composite with the Great Unrequired Impossible love of my life , shows Sun conjunct Neptune and SN , in Scorpio VII . Im not exactly sure what our future holds, but I do know we are exactly where we are supposed to be XOXO ~ Thank you for the lovely insights!!! Lilith in the 12th House is an unusual placement because it revolves around the dark side of your life and its unseen parts. (Note that Jupiter is the natural co-ruler of the 12th, so it will behave in a Pisces-like manner, here.) It is SO powerful! Should I pay attention to that or to our individual charts? Thats for start. These are the couples who are magnetically attracted to one another and who, after making the necessary commitments, find themselves on strange and unfamiliar territory. A share a composite chart with a stellium of planets (Sun, Mercury, Uranus, and Neptune) in the 12th house with cusp on Scorpio. Does that sound like enough glue to counter the 12th house effects? I never understood that statement could you put some light on it for me? My question is this: Does our Sun/Mercury conjunction in the 12th composite necessarily have to mean we are destined to learn a particular lesson and then part? When composite Lilith is placed in the eighth house of the composite chart, this makes the relationship between the two people very intense. Composite Saturn is in the 1st. The area of the 12th house in which Black Moon Lilith makes a person experience their unconscious fears, pain, shame, and denial relates to their spiritual transcendence, self-undoing, and their ability to dive deeper into the mysteries of life.. That is why this article discusses a potentially enlightening topic. Thank you SO very much for this post. We have our composite sun in 12th house, along with saturn. !.the telepathy is overwhelming me. In our synastry my North Node/South Node axis is conjunct his MC/IC axis and his Moon conjuncts my IC. There is a lot of love between us, much alignment in our dreams and life goals and a feeling of being soul mates and yet a strange disconnect emotionally that has us often feeling like we are on completely different wavelengths. Im always attracted to those types of relationships I would need a full synastry to really answer your question. My mars falls in his 12th and his moon falls in my 12th. Mars & NNode in Cancer/10th. I mean, for the 2 people IN the relationship it will be a very impactful connection, but even other people will take notice of this pairing. Definitely karmic and unbreakable. This compo Pisces Lilith in house 12 falls on the exact degree of my natal Waldemath H58 , and she also falls on his natal antivertex. But thank you for helping me face reality. Composite Houses, I'll begin, of course, with the Ascendant and the first quadrant of the chart. I have my sun in the 12th house of my natal chart, and we both have venus in the 12th house of our natal charts. I am a strong 12th house person- the sun in Libra conjunct Pluto/Mercury in Scorpio, with Saturn in Scorpio widely conjunct my Scorpio ascendent (I told you I was intense) and he has no planets in the 12th. Am I right in deducing that this relationship is more of an initiation? Its more complex than just the composite positions. In the second house of values, beware . You need to work on bringing body and mind together, as a couple. Thank you for such an eloquent understanding, this has helped me. A Venus in the 12th House man is a sweet, gentle, kind of person who likes to help both people and animals. It will revolve around sorrow, secrets, fantasies, hidden desires, emotions, and everything that belongs to our little secrets without physical forms. I am a strong 12th houser myself and it meant so much to me that we could live together and I never felt my precious solitude was infringed upon. 08.05.20. Unfortunately, the 12th House is one of the hardest places for Lilith to be. Long story short it really bothered me that I can not tell him how I really feel about him because we are both ironically attending church but I felt that he really likes me as well. So much uncertainty and confusion!! We also have Sun conjunct Saturn, Saturn trine Moon double whammy, Sun conjunct North Node double whammy, his venus conjunct my ascendant, My Mercury conjunct his ascendant, our moons conjunct in aries, Sun opposite Sun, Mercury opposite Mercury, and Venus opposite Venus, all within 3 degrees. A recent class in assassins revealed that the victims often had many planets in the shooters 12th house. I can no longer approach love as wholeheartedly again. I felt (sorry to say) that he is the big love of my life! There is also Mercury in Taurus at 12 degrees, but this is in the 1st. Written in 12thouse Neptunian mystique and eloquence Our midpoint composit cannot show any true about our relationship. Sorry, Natalia, I cant really comment on this in the space available. You may keep your feelings for each other to yourselves, not feeling safe expressing them for whatever reason. All that subconscious provoking of each other is very much a full time job and its preventing me from being successful in life and meeting a man that can offer the support i need to really fly. He eventually ended it because he was afraid wed go into a dark place with each other again- our relationship was very intense, and my insecurities and control issues combined with his youthful sloppiness are what destroyed it. thundered His sun, mercury and chiron is in the 12 house in his natal chart. Just endings in general. That was over three years ago. With Libra in 12th House, your past life may not be that pleasant. Its bad enough that we have difficulties with the 12th house when it involves the natal chart, but it often is downright cruel when were trying to negotiate its slippery slopes in a composite. Concentrate on intimacy and you should be all right. It doesn't have to be a breakup. They usually experience issues with drugs or alcohol. For whatever reason, you may have a secret relationship . Neptune causes us to turn our other into gods. There are no connections with saturn to make it harsh. hi dawn. My progressed Uranus will be in my 7th house for the rest of my life. I noticed you dont offer composite readings. Any advice would be helpful. Beginning to look at our Composite Chart and come to find a Moon and Mars Conjunction in Leo 12th House. We move from the personal world, giving up our individuality along the way, to become a plaything of the collective unconscious. The story of your inability to connect probably has more to do with your individual chart comparisons than the composite chart. The Sun and Moon in the 7th house are especially encouraging for a new relationship (if you're single) because your main focus for the year (the Sun) plus your emotional concerns will be united in that area. This depends on how well Lilith energy is being handled in the synastry and natal chart. Thanks so much Dawn. I live a bliss and despair relation for about 2 years but definite we are totally different persons than before met each other (we are old enough!). It also works the other way. At all. Romantic Conjunctions in the 12th House. We have a meaningful journey to take together, but we must ultimately be alone. I turned to astrology and within months I learnt a lot of things about this topic. We feel that very beautiful in our life! Interesting description: it seems like weve followed ourselves around the country for each of our lives and not ever taking the time to learn about each other. Venus is the planet of love which makes him lovable by his likable behavior and persuasive way of talking. Besides synastry, the twelfth house in a composite chart can also be telling when it comes to karmic relationships. Talking about Fate! He just wanted to keep it physical until one of us gets married with someone else. It isnt every case that the couple with a strong 12th house will break up. This places can even indicate psychic ability. I just am hesitating. Through the sixth house, you must learn to function in the world efficiently and take up the calling to serve Humanity. My husband and I have composite sun conjunct Saturn in the 12th, composite moon conjunct Venus in the 1st. The midpoint chart reveals the relationship on another level entirely. And we both natally have same aspects, my mars is in my 12th and his moon is in his 12th also. Thank you for this article. . We are each in our mid 60she never married, and I (a widow) married 25 yearsto a Pisces. The Autumn Schedule is Here! This man can be my everything and this feeling will not change. We had an instant connection, and I ended up in his apartment the first night we met. What you are fascinated by is your own longing to acknowledge and feel this power. When the transit Moon is in the composite 12th house, you may want some alone time together, wanting to share feelings but only when alone and no one else is around. The lack of posturing and display of ego gives others the chance to have a "day in the sun," endearing the 12th house sun to the person they gave the chance to shine. Our synastry with my beloved couple is very strong with good connections between both 1th and 7th house rulers and many positive aspects like double whammy saturn-moon, and positive ascendant-moon, ascendant-venus, venus-moon, and so warm and intense pluto conj. thanks you very much Dawn to shed some lights on this! Eventually, some of their views may clash and this can . Was our purpose to heal each other? Thank you, Tricia. My natal Venus conjuncts composite IC and his natal Mars conjuncts composite MC. In order to respect this aspect, we need to have reverence for all the cycles of life, not just the upswing. A trauma might have triggered you before, making you a reserved person now. intresting to know why its so bad. Loving and letting go, as well as maturing your love into a transcendant form of love where you are able to love so deeply that you give it the potential to annihilate you, yet you learn to let go and allow the natural changes in the state of our being has been a reoccurring theme of my life. sorry Ive made an error : it is not his descendant point, it is his IC point. It is composed of the combined midpoints of each person's planets and angles. MUCH APPRICIATED- i am forever greatful for your insights. Now, what to think of this powerful symbolism in the composite chart? mercury and mercury conj. Youre a poet of poets. where is very intense connection and I can feel things youve described but also I can see it as long term.. Hi WhitelotusI use both the Midpoint and the Davison charts in synastry. We work together, this relationship is definitely a karmic one, but now, after 1 one year of being together, there are some difficulties. Hi Evelyne. Could be a seperation. I met with a guy 2 months ago and when we saw each other, -there is no doubt that- we were both fascinated by each other. WhiteLotus. . Composite north node (Aquarius) trine composite Saturn in Libra (which is conjunct his natal sun). For him, its TOO many of his own issues. Since then we got closer and closer and couldnt hold back our attraction. Im a Pisces sun 7house. This is the empty space, the place where we are not like others, the place where the pieces dont fit. I feel sad about that. On the one hand We are meant to be on the other, But if we are, why is it so hard?, When a couple has planets, or an important planet, in the 12th, it can go a couple of ways. Mysterious things attract you. Reading Nessus in the houses and signs can provide an individual with different implications. The Composite Sun Through the Houses. Love for loves sake wont fly with the 12th house. Moon and Mars both Trine Uranus. More, we have a 5 cluster Scorpio in 9 (Moon, Venus, Neptune, Jupiter and Mercury), a composite Sun in Sag in 10, with Pluto and Uranus conjunct in 7 and unaspectted Gemini NN in 4 we also have a lot of 6/12 house contacts in synastry and 21 conjunctions (far from being easy!) The Mars/Neptune square did bring an element of slipperiness, but mostly irritating fibbing on his part. This is where our own shadow meets the shadow of the collective. What is the difference between Midpoint and Davison as Your opinion? The empty space in Aries, would that be the outlet or where to focus all that energy? The 12th house is the house of the hidden, the subconscious, spirituality, karma, and as the last house, it governs endings. In this relationship, you tend to agree to a no-obligation arrangement from the start. And youre so right, because there is something about the compo 12 th house ! The twelfth house is about vocation, our divine calling, and is a very different energy from the status-oriented tenth. Im sure a lot of my readers have been there and sympathize with you completely. The 12th house conjunction in Cancer indicates that there is a nurturing issue between you that needs resolving. Mars in the 12th can mean unconscious eroticism, aggression, or desire. The relationship is a very private one, we share many trips together, and special 12th house retreat time together. taurus venus-mars conjunction in Your opinion? Emotional Suppression. Lilith in the Twelfth House of Astrology (Explained) June 3, 2022 by Wisdom Tavern. In synastry, his Pluto is in my 12th conjunct my ascendent tightly, and I have nothing in his 12th. Together, they like to dive deeper and deeper into unknown and mysterious beliefs, cultures, territories, and ideas. If the Composite Sun is in the 1 st House, there will be a focus on this relationship. In synastry, I have my sun, mercury, and mars in his 12th house in pisces, and his venus in my 12th house in cancer/gemini. November 9, 2012 astrologyanonymous27. Any insight you can offer would be greatly appreciated. However, the greatest truths will be revealed through periods of meditation and silence. I would very much like to ask a question about Sun opposition Neptune in a composite especially if it is found as double whammy in synastry.From what I have read from your articles that particular dynamic is extremely difficult to get a grasp of.However I am wondering what kind of effect would Pluto in the 12th trine Sun would have on that aspect in the composite which is also double whammy in synastry.Especially since Pluto is the ruler of the Ascendant and Jupiter,co-ruler of Pisces hits that angle.My question has to do with whether in this case the 1st house plays a heavy role in the chart and balances the chaotic power of Sun-Neptune or whether it is so fused with piscean energy that the plutonian core searching is not enough to get through the neptunian fog.I know that you should see the whole chart and that the question is a bit absurd but I think there is a pattern here and I would really like to know even your smallest bit of opinion on the matter.Thank you in advance. They might not be opposed to using under-handed tactics in order to receive information or get what they desire. What is the best approach? We talk with each other and I know he loved me and still does like me , we talk in the church when we can but none of us really telling the real story (which is so 12 house thing).